PEOPLE DO ALL SORTS OF THINGS ON ELECTION DAY. Most work at their jobs. Others, including political writers like me, spend many anxious hours waiting for the polls to close.
It makes no difference how convinced you have been over this last year about the surety of your candidate’s win, on that day your mind fills with clouds of doubt.
Certainly I have been convinced for some time now that the majority of Americans are anything but satisfied with Barack Obama. There was, however, too many men and women going to the polls Tuesday who simply were unqualified to make a vote based on facts, not emotions or bias. And that was the difference.
I spoke to a very nice lady Wednesday in our supermarket who told me she had voted for Mr. Obama. When I asked why she had made that determination, she said she felt he deserved another term to complete what he needed to do TO this country.
I am sure she meant FOR this country, but it didn’t come out that way, and it gave me a really strange feeling.
Surely Mr. Obama cannot be satisfied with the four years he has spent in the White House, but you wouldn’t know that listening to his campaign manager, David Axelrod, who appears to believe his boss has been the greatest president of all time. Go figure.
Election days can be the longest days of all time when you are nervous about the outcome. This one seemed too long for me. I had been quite convinced of the outcome. But today I am totally puzzled as to why the people of America — at least those who voted — actually believe sincerely that we will have a different president now than the one we had on Nov. 5. It appears to me that he is exactly the same man he was, and that man was not good for this country. I find it hard to believe he is any more competent today to solve the terrible problems of this country than he was last week.
I have been wrong about elections before, but I don’t think I have ever missed on one as much as I miscalculated this Obama victory.
Today, the people of the United States of America have joined Europe as a politically socialist state. The “what are you doing for me today” faction has made a huge step toward taking over the elected government. They are not quite there yet, but they are approaching that threshold rapidly. We are getting closer and closer to a Greek-style socialist government and economy, and you know how well that is working in Athens.
Looking back at the various causes of this defeat of Mitt Romney, one cannot help but lay a great deal of the blame at the feet of the major media in America, which managed to bury the Libyan debacle nearly entirely during the last month of the campaign, instead focusing almost exclusively on Hurricane Sandy. It was a slick move and very calculated — as the media had been throughout the election — to relieve the president of as much of that embarrassment as possible.
The very obvious bias of the moderators of the second presidential debate and the only vice-presidential debate was also calculated to help the president as much as possible, despite the embarrassment to the two ladies involved.
Yet this election could have been won if not for Mr. Romney’s reluctance to get down in the dirt with his adversary. The president had no such reluctance — after all, he is a Chicago politician — and attacked Romney with anything at all, true or untrue. It was the dirtiest presidential election in my memory, and I have seen quite a few.
The Republican Party did better, managing to keep the House of Representatives. We cannot, however, overlook the fact that there is a very large segment of our voter population that is simply uninterested in anything other than what they might receive from government handouts.
In most of the world, that is called socialism. Those who wanted it in the U.S. have the president they asked for — and for the next four years he’ll be trying hard to deliver.
Jim Pugh is a Benicia resident.
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A little socialism sprinkled on a lot of ethical capitalism makes for a delicious societal stew. A good push back against so called socialism would be to cut our corporate subsidies to profitable companise like big oil and coal and to cut way back on military spending. We have no major enemies that want to invade us. After WWII we used Communism as a bogy man to give us an excuse for excessive military spending. Basically defense is a great cash cow for the banking and industrial community, while primarily poorer people of color give up their lives. Not very many rich Daddys sons have died in wars.
Harvey stated: while primarily poorer people of color give up their lives.
Why do you just make this stuff up Harvey? Here are the real numbers:
Vietnam deaths:
Whites – 42,490 (78%)
Blacks – 7,115 (13%)
Iraq War deaths:
Whites – 3,034 (75%)
Minorities – 820 (20%)
If you have a website that can substantually (+/-20% favoring your position) refute those percentages I will buy you lunch.
Dennis, as too often you do, you miss Harvey’s real points, preferring to focus attention on one error, a minor point among others more important that you studiously avoid. But, that’s your way.
RMS Stated: Dennis, as too often you do, you miss Harvey’s real points
Robert, again you make erroneous assumptions. You seem to think that because I chose not to comment on some aspects of Harvey’s post that I must have missed them. That is not the case, instead I made a reasonable decision to not delve into that aspect of his comment.
Since you stem from the left side of the political realm, I know you are willing to accept false and misleading statements made, as long as they favor the agenda you support.
I on the other hand think that it is important to base decision on facts which are then used to support the position espoused.
Harvey, as well as other on the left, are content to formulate opinions based on misinformation. Yes, I correct Harvey, as well as others, when they give false statistics. I am funny that way as the truth is important.
But I well understand where you are coming from, as I too once believed the BS that is promoted by the left.
If only, huh Harvey?
“There was, however, too many men and women going to the polls Tuesday who simply were unqualified to make a vote based on facts, not emotions or bias.”
There sure were, and they all voted for romney, based on superpacs lies and attacks – You Lost – get over it. small d democracy rejects your rant.
Hear, hear, “Old Dog!”
I think what Jim Pugh said was his opinion. The Forum is an opinion page. We get both sides. I do believe Harvey Rifkin on his opinion articles was on the losing side. That is fine. He made his statement and it was his and his alone. The folks just were not buying it. Jim has made his statement and said he missed on this one. I made predictions on the election. Lost two won three. It is not the end of the world. Just an opinion that was only part right or part wrong. I understand what you are saying on big oil and big coal subsidies. But when Romney talks about revising the tax code and mentions mortgages the Progressives went crazy. Tax payers get huge subsidies on our taxes. Gross a 100,000 and without even itemizing your dedutions you get over 20,000 right up front. Personal deduction for two and standard dedution without itemizing. I think you will find the Progressives think it is not ok for oil and coal to get a deduction but only the American tax payers. That confuses me.
Livesay, you could have a whole room filled with 24-packs of toilet paper and paper towels, it would not be enough to clean you, Jim and Dennis up from your mess of Romney loss and Senate defeat. How many years will it take for you to understand and accept what happened? Your congressional leaders snubbed Obama ungraciously and carry on as if their party has won, just for not yet getting shellacked clear out of the House. Keep it up, boys, that’ll come at midterm when this country finishes cleaning up the Tea Party’s Mad-Hatter mess.
Oh, Mr.Pugh, how thou doth whine as a political loser…I suggest you go directly to Rachel Maddow and suckle her every word…Get to know who your highly intelligent opposition party is. Rachel itemized line for line why the Repubs lost and lost big time to Barack Obama and the Democrats. You guys forgot that the voting public is not just Grumpy Old, Moneyed White Men. We are made up of women, gays, latinos, blacks, moderate males, the youthful and still aspiring young voters, and a whole potful of us still-working seniors (age 70 in January) who don’t want our Medicare or environment or IRS home mortgage deductions diddled with by Schwinn-riding neophytes like Paul Ryan and business-disembowler and overseas shipper, Mitt Romney. Your Monday morning whining along with Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump and others is well beneath the facade you once broadcasted from your self-fabricated and erroneous pulpits. Even Karl Rove and the Koch Brothers and their megamilions couldn’t buy or influence a majority in America…Yeah, blame it on the the media, “the liberals and socialists,” Christie’s voicing thanks to Obama, or Hurricane Sandy, blame it on a thousand things, maybe even the SF Giants winning the Series? You got met in the ring by superior forces and got hammered. Get over it. Go see Mr. Boehner and see what kind of First Aid he might need to stop his ego-bleeding…Good luck, I rarely read your column but respect your need to communicate something…Peter Bray, Benicia, CA
right on Peter. Boehner and McConnell refuse to take Presidents call Tuesday night. Classy
I hear McConnell is vowing to make Obama a two-term President
McConnell is a barnacle and a crustacean, Boehner is a termite…given the tools to be creative, they choose to be butt-sitters and procrastinators and sit in Congress and taxpayers and lobbyists treat them to their salaries and benefit packages and perks. What do they provide in services? Obstruction and a promise to some turkey named Norquist that they will never raise taxes as they fear Norquist more than care for their own country–They are barnacles on the Ship of Progress as are the Comatose Tea Party-ers and everybody knows it…My dog is more productive and I don’t even have a dog, but two cats who outshine both Boehner and McConnell 8 days a week. Peter Bray
Defeated Once Again, Right-Wing Media Wage War…On Voters:
“Raise your hand if you thought conservatives would respond to President Obama’s convincing re-election victory by lashing out at voters and the country as a whole, denouncing the presidential pick as the act of a greedy, lazy nation.”
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/09/defeated-once-again-right-wing-media-wage-waron/191297
denouncing the presidential pick as the act of a greedy, lazy nation.”
They left off “stupid”.
Dream on liberals, while your taxes go up, your dollars lose value, and best of all watch the government grow and grow and grow and grow———-
“Al”, you show no grasp of situation or economy at all. You are the dreamer.
Hi Robert, I guess my uneducated conservative views seem rather lowly to the Ivy League and other liberal factory produced people. Seems to me that requiring more tax on the wealthy would not even pay for one of the Obama Executive Privilege handouts such as “Solindra”. I am so concerned about the future of my priceless grand children. Can you please explain to this poor conservative how we are going to reduce the crushing debt and deficit. I’m not being smart a–ed here just truly concerned. Al
Al you have a right to be concerned. You will not get an answer from the Progressives on how to reduce the debt or unemployment. They do not have one. Lets say the President gets his way with little or no compromise on the taxing of the rich. That will have no effect on lowering the debt just a “I told you so, you are going to pay more” It is pure go after the rich. We all want this country to get on the right track. If President Obama gets it going in the right direction he will have set up another eight years of a Democratic President. If not he will face the most critical decisions he will have to make of any modern day President. If it starts to tank again he is in big trouble and will get nothing done. No one wants that. You were elected to do a job and not divide this country. I know it is all the Republicans fault. They are the ones that divided this country. I do believe there are two sides to this coin. Lets hope the right side turns up.
All you right-white males ought to read Carolyn Plath regularly. Her writings are not at all irrelevant or insubstantial. Concluding her piece for today (Friday, 11-9-12) She writes, concerning people whose heads are mired in unalterable views: “Don’t wrestle with a pig, my grandma would say. You’ll only get muddy.” I don’t mind calling you piggies “wingnuts.” You root in the same old, self-created muck. If I were just a little smarter, I’d have nothing at all to do with you, but I take it as part of responsible citizenship to sound off, tiresome though it gets, having no hope of helping educate you know-it-alls.
Robert, thanks for the reminder to read Carolyn’s column: http://thinkdreamplay.blogspot.com
I’m sure many of us have had a similar experience with a friend or relative. I know I have.
Sorry dude. Democracy won. Anyone could see that romney was inconsistent and that Ryan’s budget was set to rob American pensions in the form of social security and give it back to the very wealthy in tax cuts they don’t need and don’t deserve. They were playing a shell game blaming the middle class and they still are. Sorry my mom is not a freeloader she paid into the social net her whole life. Military who don’t pay taxes are not freeloaders. We saw people get attacked who did nothing wrong by Romney who decimated many industries and didn’t respect us enough to release his taxes. He took zero responsibility for those his greed through out of work and then blamed them when they needed medical care or food stamps or help to deal with their job loss. Most Americans who voted for Obama have never personally needed rhe safety net but perhaps we aaw that our children were helped with obamacare or we got educated wirh loans we happily paid with interest and taxes on our greater earninf power. we are grateful for our good fortune and also grateful that the safety net it is there for those among us who have had misfortune. I would rather give the occasional freeloader help he does not need than deny the 99/100 who are suffering the help they need. Focusinf us on that rare outlier is a magicians trick–the majority of fraud comws from dishonest medical billers. Obama cut 750 million in fraudulent hospital billings. This is just one example. We who voted for Obama saw through the lies and arrogance of the Republican Party personified by Romney. You can either start to look at who we really are and understand our lives and reality and intelligence and sense of fairness and love for our country’s history of investment in its people and infrastructure for the benifit of us all, or you can continue that Rushian reality that traps you in imperialist attitudes toward people intelligent enough not to buy into lies and promises that are provably manipulative and false. Ayn Rand is not my hero or inspiration but she was Ryan’s. look it up and realize the most educated informed voters voted for obama and the good of our country.
I am overjoyed obama won. And democracy won.
look it up and realize the most educated informed voters voted for 0bama and the good of our country
Yes, it is well worth noting how informed Obama voters can be. Thank you
We shall see. he did win. Now he has to work with the Republicans to get anything done. This will show the voters if he can really bring the nation together. At present it is very divided. Shelby you could be right and it will happen in 2014 and nothing happens for two years. But if you do not win in 2014 , then what. Is it the goal of the Progressives to have the President, House and Senate and then just dictate what will be done? Do you Progressives hate the Republicans that much? I thought the Progressives were the folks that are going to bring folks together. By all these comments I now have my doubts. It appears you want complete control and govern not as uniters but dividers. I sure hope not. The President has already made his stance and does not appear he will compromise at all. Is that what you really voted for?
I do think the Progressives should show some concern for the debt. Is upping the taxes on a few going to solve the problem or just make the Progressives happy that the
rich are paying more. Is it not about time we start talking about solution and stop the calling out of folks on the right. President Obama won. The Republicans have as much right to write an opinion about the election as the Progressives. I hope you do not want censorship.
Bob,
There is a music club in Berkeley; Askenaz, (on San Pablo Ave. near Gilman). They had (or may still have) a sign out front:
Tax the Rich, till they are Rich no more
The line epitomizes the mentality of progressives and how they view wealth as they seek to define what is a “fair share” and seek to implement steps to make sure that they have control of how much everyone pays. Prop 30’s passage is yet another example of how they will never have enough tax income.
DDL:
Wrong! That is an isolated statement from the music club and no one else, DDL. Such a general exaggeration to include all progressives is dull and ignorant, I would have expected much brighter statement from you. This Democrat/Progressive just wants a balanced, free-thinking Supreme Court to overturn its own stupidity that “corporations are people,” and that billions of PAC bucks of unknown origin can funnel into the political process in the US. This Progressive/Democrat wants lies and deceit and dysfunctional uselessness kept out of governing this planet. This Progressive/Democrat wants a functioning government to regulate its financial industry effectively so that fraudulent “derivative” hustlers and schemers don’t collapse the economy nor perpetuate the Bush & Reagan’s administrations that not taxing the rich adequately will cause a “trickle down” economic effect…what a pile of horsecrap! A mentally-archaic but moneyed aristocracy that cares not a hoot for the destruction of the planet or the humane care of its people is short-sighted, dull, and ignorant. Unfortunately the human species is often duller than muskrats and we are where we are. Good luck with your future analogies, I suggest you venture a little further out from under the mediocre lump of the bell-shaped curve and consider that your audience contains more than the dull and ignorant and easily fooled, otherwise these exchanges meant to be informative, will degrade as they always do into pre-adolescent slumber party pillow fights. I have other things to do more important than avoiding your verbal pillow toss—Peter Bray, Benicia, CA
That is an isolated statement from the music club and no one else, DDL
No Peter, It is a statement made by Alvin Lee over forty years ago, as another poster has indicated. It is an idea, albeit exagerated) made to make a point:
Taxing wealth will not eliminate poverty.
Who the flying fig is Alvin Lee? And since when is he an icon of anybody’s political role-modeling?
Dylan said, “Ya don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows…” So should we close down Channel 2’s rainy weather detectors? Obama just wants those over $250K per year to pay their fair share…why should I and the other working clods of this nation have to pay for the gluttony of the Pentagon, the shipping of jobs overseas, the nutcase, greedy escalation of medical services in this country? Why should I have to cough up my IRS home mortgage deduction when greedy SOBs at the top of the financial institutions of this country gutted the economy with their fraudulent “derivative” machinations? Shut down the EPA and the Dept. of Education and deep-six Big Bird and PBS? To save whom and what tax break they’ve had for how many years? Sorry, your logic is yours not mine. You and Mr. Livesay ought to think about alternative careers in Standup Comedy…trouble is ya gotta have an audience and an alternative day job…But “Hope and Change” are not time-dependent words in my book, we’re only 4 years into Obama’s run at cleaning up after 8 years of Bush and Cheney and the wonder of all their tax breaks and lethargic government regulation…Oh, boy, poorboy white children with a credit card…Good luck—PB
Mr. Livesay: Of course the Progressives are concerned about the debt, and we are concerned about everything and everyone else on the planet, but gutting the EPA, the Dept. of Education, and gorging up the Pentagon budget and avoiding human rights of women and gays and ethnic groups are why the Repubs lost this election. Bush and Cheney had a field day for 8 years riding on their tax cuts for the wealthy and thumbing their noses at governing this country plus two illegal wars on a credit card…And the Repubs did their absolute damnedest for the past two years to block Obama at every turn. If you’re going to contribute here, please give us a little more than your archaic idealogies and verbal fluff. They and all of Karl Rove’s collected mega-millions didn’t cut it…You are not communicating with fools here or perhaps you thought you were? Peter Bray
Peter I have asked you in the past to not make negative commemts about me. Are you now just going to continue the way you have? Peter I could say much about the Progressives but at this time I will not. I will continue to contribute the way I always have and will not be run off by your attempt at censorship. Peter you made negative comments about DDL and Bob Livesay. I thought you might change. I guess not. Peter the President won. Lets hope that the Senate now knows that their is compromises to be made. The Senate and the President can not rule this country as its our way or no way. You blame the Republicans for blocking all the Progressive issues. Did not Harry do even more in the Senate. If we are going to get all the things that you mention the Progressives must come around and also the Republicans. It is not a one way street. You may just see nothing get done for two years in an attempt to wait for 2014. Big gamble. Peter remember the first thing the President did is draw the line in the sand on taxes. Now is that compromise or authoritarian rule? Please Peter do not try to dictate to me. I am a better thinker than you might think.
Bob Livesay: You trivialize your opposition at every turn of the road, and you don’t want your autocratic broadcasts to be to be criticized…Good luck with that. You are one voice in 300 million, nothing more, nothing less. –pb
Peter as you are.
Peter I have a question. In reading your article on home repairs or soliciting handyman work you left out your rates. I did enjoy your article about repairs. But I also thought it was an advertisement for your handyman work. Rates would have helped a lot. I guess if folks call you will tell them the rates. It was a good article. Just a thought to help in your handyman work.
Bob Livesay: Thanks for your comments re my column. 99% of that was free information which the Herald even put online. I believe a net gain given from one is a net gain for all. Voicing my rates is not for public consumption but is a judgement call at the time of negotiating work. Of course it was an advertisement for my work, a cobbler does not voice how to repair shoes without some expectation that the world might return to improve the state of their shoes. – pb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzrUqAtUcpU
Alvin Lee did not even crack the list of Rolling Stone’s top 100 guitarists; A huge oversight, IMHO.
Rolling Stone’s top 100 guitarists list is routinely garbage, mainly due to their omissions. Danny Gatton, John Scofield, Jim Campilongo, Bill Frissel Alan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny; all absent. That said, Alvin Lee is mediocre, at best, and pales in comparison to Albert Lee (also not included).
Gentleman, check out Mark Knopfler sometime, he’s plenty good enough for me–pb
He is a sultan of swing (not really though).
To each their own, “What it is…”pb
Everyone associates Knopfler with ‘Dire Straights’, of course, but if that is all they know him from they are missing out on some great works. One of my current favorites of his is this one from about three years ago:
Border Reivers
Of course “Dire Straits”, that’s a given. I’m not ‘everyone’. I associate him with “The Princess Bride” soundtrack and his collaboration with Chet Atkins (a true great – also not on the RS 100 list, I believe) . Not really a fan of what he Knopfler has done in recent years (too sterile). There is too much other new, as well as old, music out there to explore.
I’m not ‘everyone’.
What made you think that comment was directed at you?
Well, DDL, at least we can agree on Mark Knopfler, he’s a prince!…all of the songs from Dire Straits were his and he’s currently on tour with Dylan, Dylan’s scraggly voice and tortured melodies, why Knopfler tours with him has to be comradeship or good business, Knopfler is smooth and memorable, Dylan is raspy and forgettable…The latter’s newest CD, “The Tempest” I listened to once and dropped it off at Goodwill…pb
Knopfler worked with Dylan on ‘Slow Train Coming’ back in the late ’70s so they have had a long relationship.
No one who likes Dylan will claim that he has a good singing voice, what he does have is a talent for writing and a very loyal following.
What I keep asking myself just what is enough. It was not 7.9 unemployment. It was not close to 17 tril in debt. It was not Obamacare. So it must have been social issues and minority vote issues. I then ask myself do not minorities care about unemployment or the debt? I can understand about half the folks wanting Obamacare. It was very apparent to me that the Democrats did a good job of painting Romney as the enemy of the middle class. So if President Obama is a defender of the middle class how is he going to handle the s/s 4.2% when it expires and goes back to the 6.2% rate which it has been forever. Is it now going to be permanent at 4.2%? This is going to be a big issue. Much bigger than the tax the rich issue which can be worked out. I do believe the tax the rich will go to somewhere between $500,000/1,000,000 everyone will except that. The wise thing for President Obama to do on the s/s issue is to go to a employee rising scale upward. Start at 2% rising to 6% at $150,000 and then sliding back to 2% at the cap of $300,000. You then reward the lower wages earners and at the same time do not hurt higher wages earners that much. It could be the Presidents answer to tax the rich. By that I mean go from 2.0% to a max of 6.0%. Cap the 6.0% at $150,000 and then gradually lower back to 2.0% up to a cap of $300,000. No one will complain on that system. I do not think President Obama will tackle that issue it is to complex for the Progressives. Sorry I even gave that idea for consideration to the President. I hope the Republicans pick up on it. It is a sure vote getter and a very smart way to get the employment rate and the conomy growing very quickly. The Presidents only hope for getting the unemployment rate to under 5% is more money in the hands of the middle class. Not taxing the rich. Bad idea. S/S rate 2% at 20,00 3% at 20/40,000, 4% at 40,60,000, 5% at 80/120,000 and 6% at 120/150. Then slide it back down to 2%. Between $150,000/300,000. Keep the employer rate at 6.2% with a cap at $120,000. That alone would put plenty of money in the hands of the middle class and the middle class with their own money could spend our way out of this terrible financial issue. Sounds easy? It is. The Progressives are far more concerned into taxing the rich than in real time helping the middle class. We shall see what happens in the next two years. This type of ideas are far more productive than taxing the rich and can be done in a very simple way. Put thye money where it will count the most. The middle class will now spend our way out of this unemployment issue and our future debt issue. At the same time helping tp protect s/s for everyone. I sure hope the Progressive do not think the over 20 tril is the cap on dept. with no way to reduce it. Just ask me I do have other ideas for getting the economy rolling. I will wave my fees.
Social issues will always be an issue. Republicans should just let go of it and just agree on the social issues. The Republicans can take away a big political issue from the Progressives. Let the folks in their own way fight it out over abortion, voter ID, same sex marriage etc. Let those issues move on and you are now back in contention. Get absorbed in those issues and it will become an even bigger issue. Let them go and move on. This is a winning solution for the Republicans. Just let the Progressive groups now fight amongst them selves. Republicans can fix the economy and all the social and enviro issues will take care of themselves. Sound easy? It is. Give the Progressive offence those options and the Republican offence take the passing offence which gets you to your goal much quicker and with less energy. Again a free idea.
Stay tuned Progressives the Great Thinker is just getting started.
Bob Livesay:
Funny how your LOSING the election with all your Republican prognostication precedes your Now Great Thinking…your radar blips are fading from my screen like Romney’s non-credibility…and Paul Ryan’s disappearing Schwinn bike and pizza deliveries…All Rove’s PAC money couldn’t buy him squat…place that in your dysfunctional Supreme Court corner…the Progressives will do just fine…just hide behind your rhetoric and see…To be listened to, Romney needed credibility, of which he had none…Who will attempt to lead the Repubs now: Lame Boehner or Mitch McConnell or “Lost the BIG Bucks” Rove?—–What? I can’t hear you…you’re fading, fading, fading…are you in Alaska or under the bed until 2014? 2016? Good luck there, watch out for the dust bunnies and other Tea Partyers soon to join you–pb
Peter I do not mind your closed mind. But please, others are better thinkers than you and even me. I am not complaining about the lose. The Republicans lost Peter. Go ahead gloat all you want. Your whimsical comments mean nothing. Just an attempt to be funny and a big thinker. I was presenting ideas and thoughts. I do not expect you to agree but at the same their is no need to be negative in your comments. I sort of thought you were starting to be a reasonable man. Your Progressives won. Now I guess all your mortgage issues and having to work past seventy are all solved. Peter I worked beyound 75, you do not have a lock on age. I look terrific despite the bad habits I have that you seem to know nothing about. worked till 75 not because of need. I wanted to. I must have done something right along the way. Peter try listening to others just once in a while.
Bob Livesay: You are so stuck in a chronically negative loop, you are neither entertaining nor informative. Good luck with that, I’m doing just fine.Try to find some color in your rainbow, your chronic negativity and demeaning of others may lift. Worry about Mitch Oconnell and Mr. Boehner and Karl Rove’s credibility along with that of Fox News…Obama’s doing just fine. Check out Alan Grayson in Florida too…Whoooeey! Peter Bray
Peter you talk about demeaning of others. Please read your posts. I will just accept the fact that you will not change your very Liberal ways and you should not. That is fine and I will comment to your posts as so.